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Wading for the Sun by jayalders Wading for the Sun by jayalders
The warm summer sun, waves peeling, the mesmerizing light reverberating through the ever-changing forms of the ocean and the sight of a beautiful girl wading towards the sea. For many of us, these things bring us passion, tranquility, maybe even envy.
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jayalders Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
thank you!
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LayaboutJoe Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014

Jay, I really like this painting of yours and I thank you for sharing it with us!  In my view it thoroughly captures the atmosphere, beauty and spirit of beaches and surfing.  (As it happens, those are all good things!)

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jayalders Featured By Owner May 28, 2013
Thank you!!!!
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Coen2 Featured By Owner May 28, 2013
Beautiful. Great concept as well.
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PAC002 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
Shame about the silly foreground, although you probably has a cheeky moment. The background work is amazing and beautiful and is lost in the caricature. Wonderful use of colour and texture in scenics. I haven't seen such a striking sea and sky interpretation in a quite a long time. Well done. Only spoiled by the body concept and the butt.
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DRJooji Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Student General Artist
bwa ha haa!!! >D
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Oliver--Fey Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
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jayalders Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
You're so kind. Thank you sincerely!
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jayalders Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
Just because someone throws you a ball doesn't mean you have to catch it. Same goes for negativity :)
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
So you're just leaving without even bothering to refute what I've said? I mean, go right ahead and leave if you want, but I'm going to take an absence of an explanation as admittance that I was right. And I'm not trying to use that whole "argument of silence" deal right now, either. This is pretty much a simple yes or no question of whether or not you had something to say about that or if you're just leaving so you can avoid it. I'll hardly be disappointed either way, though, considering the satisfaction I got from just how long it took you to get what I was doing even though I was explaining myself and my motives almost constantly.

And you know, if you really want to try it, I'm totally up for a real conversation elsewhere. I would have thought you'd be more curious about that after how much interest you showed toward the subject.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Welp, looks like I got played, then. It's encouraging that you've at least understood what I've said, even if it was all a childish game with blatant misdirection (et tu is also a fail, and not worth including in argument), backpedaling and outright deception. Had you maintained a coherent argument and position throughout, you would have received answers to your questions -- if they were even real.

Still, I fell for your ploy in the end, once in trust and again, now, in disappointment at both of us. Enjoy your victory.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
I haven't been biased by the "gotta be right" syndrome while talking to you, you know. I'm simply carrying on the same conversation that you choose to contribute to. If you wanted to change the subject completely I'd go right along with it. Hell, you could even send me a casual note discussing some sort of television program while we're having this separate debate and I'd treat it like a normal conversation with any respectable person (so long as you address me in a respectable manner as well). This thread here is where the game is.

Also, yes, I do see how ridiculously pointless the whole "argument from silence" idea is. That's why I chose to use that method of persuasion after you tried to pull it on me first. I was hoping you'd catch on.*

But anyway, judging by what I know of your nature of replies and how you handle certain prompts in debate along with the fact that you haven't actually provided any counter whatsoever to the idea that you're being hypocritical in this entire situation (or to anything I've said about your motives for speaking to me) aside from just saying "no that's not it", am I to assume that you simply don't have any other explanations for that particular subject? I mean, sure, there's this whole idea of postponing communication for the purpose of starting over and having a "normal" conversation, but considering that I've been throwing that idea at you for a while now, it does seem oddly convenient that you'd choose now to go for that option.


*Well, sort of. I was half hoping you'd catch on to that little jab and half hoping that it would motivate you to continue replying again even after you had tried making such a spectacular exit. You see, a big part of this game is to see how long I can keep a person involved in the conversation without having to change my own "views", and if I get bored of a person or no longer desire to hear from them anymore, I try to see how quickly I can persuade them to give up commenting without actually bringing up that I'm no longer interested in them. It's a strategy game, really, knowing when and where to write comments of certain natures to get exactly the kind of response I want. Call that childish if you must, but if somebody's going to start getting aggressive at me, then I'm just going to try to entertain myself with it. I don't actually do this in normal debates, either. When somebody wants to have an intelligent exchange of ideas without a bunch of petty insults and blatant attempts belittle somebody else, I'm all for it. I like to learn, or at the very least, get somebody else's point of view on an educational subject.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Lol. I'm probably playing right into your "games", but you're not wrong about everything and you're actually asking questions, which I presume means you're actually thinking.

Tell ya what. If you actually want to have a serious and civil conversation about, well, anything (as your replies haven't been entirely on topic the whole time), then let's at least get off this poor guy's deviation. And give it time to sit, so neither of us are biased by the "gotta be right" syndrome.

If, after a week, you still want to discuss how and why you think what I'm doing is the same as you (which isn't a valid argument, btw; argument from silence, which is your entire last line, is equally fallacious, but I'm going to throw it back at you right now, just to show how flawed it is), then send me a note or leave a comment on my profile. No sooner than one week.

If you don't, then it will be obvious you've reread the conversation, recognized where you inferred incorrectly, then argued a completely different point than I was making, realized that I was right in that very first post and are just too embarrassed to admit it. I'll understand. (Argument from silence. See how ridiculous it is, how easy it is to throw against anything, and how pointless it really is?)

One week. Then, I'll continue any civil and respectful discussion (I'd also appreciate logical, reasonable and focused) you want to have.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Before you "go", I do have one question. How on earth is what you're doing right now any different from what I was doing before? You have such a problem with the idea of posting comments for the purpose of picking fights or starting arguments and being harsh or condescending (or just appearing as such by simply not bothering to sugarcoat opinions), but is that not exactly what you've been doing to me this whole time? Literally the only difference between my conversation with you and my conversation with the other people you've referenced is that, unlike the people I talk to, I don't bother getting myself emotionally invested in this junk. To you, being rude to me is entirely justified because you don't like who I appear to be. Who says that I don't think my words to other people are also completely justified? If you're going to preach peace, don't be a hypocrite about it.

But seriously, though, let's take a moment to look over this whole conversation. You came to me to tell me that you don't like how childish I'm being and you didn't seem to mind being condescending about it. I simply explained that I don't care how childish I looked because I was, in fact, not actually worried about being mature in the first place.
This has for some reason offended you, I guess. You've done nothing but gone on and on about how I should care more and be more of a mature adult, all while carrying on the same behaviour that I very clearly stated makes me rather uninterested in "acting my age".

Here's another way of looking at this situation. Let's say you said you didn't like cats because they hurt people and I told you to treat the cat nicely if you wanted a pleasant experience. Basically, you completely ignored my advice, continued poking at the cat in an aggressive manner, got scratched, and then tried to tell me that you were right from the beginning about cats being dangerous. Cats are perfectly capable of being pleasant creatures, just like I'm perfectly capable of being a mature adult. You're just not actually trying to engage me with the right attitude. Go ahead and leave without addressing this if you want, I suppose, but if you do, you can't really say that anything else you've been rambling about actually has any real meaning.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you for answering the question.

Yeah, I realized how long that was after posting. Sorry, I was anxious to get back to hunting stock, so didn't review it. Also, I've been told I can be quite wordy. I'll try to keep this shorter.
"There's just one thing I don't think you quite get, though...."
No, I understand this quite clearly. You've misunderstood me. I meant that I think you can care about people. In a general sense. Maybe I'm optimistic and that was a rare sliver of concern for one person you knew nothing about.

It doesn't matter. The rest of the paragraph which I quoted and snipped is far more important. With that, we come full circle. The "game" of deviantART debates. More experienced in the game. Going along with the level of maturity the other person puts out first. These are all childish.

You confirm my initial assessment and I repeat my first advice: grow up. You're going to balk at that and get defensive again. Think about what it means before hitting reply.

And since you've stated you are exactly the kind of person I dislike associating with, I'll take you at your word and ask you kindly to let this be the end of our conversation. I've said my piece and I've called you out on your immaturity and now, we're done. You can either hit 'reply' and have yourself the last word — I'll humor it, just visualize me rolling my eyes and clicking the little red 'x' — or you can be that adult you claim you're capable of being and walk away graciously.*

* I realize that may have come across condescendingly. It isn't intended as such. I'm not being patronizing. I'm not trying to be or sound kind. I'm directly stating my opinion and observations. I am hoping this conversation gives you the slightest pause to think about how you treat people.
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vajrasana Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Again your lack of effort is disconcerting... "crying like a little bitch.". How unoriginal can one person be? At least get creative when trying to take a stab at my ego. What's next? Are you going to make fun of my mother or perhaps you'll make a reference to a rather tried and true meme? But maybe it's not lack for trying, perhaps you just suck at making people feel insulted as much as you do everything else in your life.
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e-x3 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
:)
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
Well, that was a gigantic wall of text. Since I happened to notice that you asked, I will address the last part of it. I am an adult when I need to be and I'll act "immature" when people start getting defensive at me or come at me with aggressive words. If they're going to make the conscious decision to continue talking to me when I'm obviously only trying to poke fun at them for my own amusement then I feel no sympathy for them, considering that they should know exactly what they're going to get. If people would like me to speak to them politely and refrain from making snarky remarks, I'm perfectly willing to do so when asked politely first. However, considering that nobody I've talked to so far has even attempted that, I'm just going to continue poking fun at them for my own amusement.

There's just one thing I don't think you quite get, though. From what I can tell, it looks like you think I would actually care about the people I get into petty arguments with. The thing is, once somebody challenges me to the game of deviantART debates, I just go along with it at the level of maturity that the other person puts out first. If it appears that I'm coming off as more harsh than another person in a particularly immature battle of "your stupid", that's just because I'm more experienced in either the subject of the debate or just the game itself. Anybody who complains about that is just a sore loser in my book.

Long story short: I really don't care if you think I'm being immature or too harsh on somebody else during some dumb internet debate. That's not my problem. If you want me to act otherwise, don't come at me in the same manner as the last person I was talking to.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I interrupt my casual browsing for paper textures to respond to this. There's a grain of value to which I can respond.

Journals: Calm down. I took a look at your journals to see if there was any value at all in continuing a conversation with you. I decided there was. Notice that I referenced the journals where you were typing intelligent comments and expressing concern for another human being rather than the comments that were much, much more casual.

You may have inferred that I took a negative vibe from your journals. That's only partially correct and largely irrelevant. I noted in both your comments and your journals that you overreact to ... well ... almost everything, from what I read. That absolutely could be just your way of carrying on a casual internet conversation, but judging by your reaction to this new conversation... I think my assessment is rather accurate.

Argument: What do you think I'm arguing about? I saw you attack the other poster. I saw you carry on with the other poster. Condescending and personal attack run rampant in your conversation with her (oops on previously calling her a him). I'm not arguing about that and I don't think you are, either. I think you know what you were doing. I'm calling you out on that and telling you it's pitiful. There's no argument. It's an opinion.

Picking Fights: I get the idea that you were picking this fight because when Kyori wanted to leave it alone, you "congratulated" her on turning 12 years old. Every single person you argue with comes at you with insults and condescending words? I'd suggest then that you take a look at yourself. How you approach a person has a lot of influence over how they'll respond to you.

Let's analyze your argument with Kyori, for example. She said something that came out wrong. The person she said it to (which was not you) called her out on it and she apologized. You know, that should have been the end of it.

You come in and tell her that "it sounds stupid" is no excuse for making racist remarks. (I agree with you here, btw.) She tells you she wasn't trying to be racist and tells you do deal with it. You reply with "That's what we call being racist..." which is also correct, but then you add... "genius". That is condescending. Your argument with her goes downhill from there. She tries to break it off (the aforementioned "I'm tired of talking to you") but you turn her effort to back out of a bad conversation into an opportunity to insult her.

You're not innocent in this. You're not a victim. The world isn't out to get you. People that you argue with come at you with insults and condescending language because you provoke it.

I applaud your effort to make the best of a bad situation, but shake my head in disappointment at your method. Nobody needs to turn into an emotional wreck over some "angry loser on the other side of the internet", but trying to turn that angry loser into an emotional wreck is ... sad. I'd also note that this Kyori girl wasn't acting angry at all.
"I really see no reason at all that that should bother you, to be honest, unless you're actually the type of petty person who takes this shit seriously and genuinely desires for other people to be hurt or insulted over such pointless junk."

That was beautiful, and worthy of blockquotes. Well said. Take your own advice. It's pretty much what I was saying, but put into your own words, which makes it better. And please don't think I'm being sarcastic. I'm not.

Social Etiquette: Fair enough, if you say. I came directly at you rather than playing at being kind and subtle. I suppose I chose not to because you were being a condescending and unnecessarily insulting ass to someone who was actually trying to be very reasonable in her conversation. (Seriously, get some fresh air, get your conversation with her out of your mind, then reread it; she's being far more polite and less insulting than you. Then, you can apologize to her.)

In all honesty, I only commented because you stated to Kyori "most adults would definitely not say that it's pathetic that I'm having fun arguing with a teenager". In the context of this argument, wherein you're not just "having fun" arguing with a teenager, but more specifically having fun provoking and insulting a person, I am telling you you're wrong. From my experience, at least. It could be the crowds we hang out with or the age difference, but I am considered an adult by society and I say it's pathetic having fun by provoking and insulting a person. All of the adults I regularly associate hold that same stance. There are certainly adults who are petty and small and like making other people feel bad, of course, but in my social circles, those immature asshats are few and far between.

So, where do you stand? Are you an immature asshat that likes provoking and insulting people for fun? Or are you an adult (or trying to be an adult, even if society has some other arbitrary designation for your age group) that takes responsibility for his words and how they affect other people, just like he would want other people to take that same responsibility?

Oh, and if you respond to nothing else in this post (if you choose to respond at all), please answer that question. It determines whether I continue to hold a conversation with you.

Until then, wish me luck hunting for some good paper texture stock.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
You know, I really don't know why everybody feels the need to bring journals into this. They're not broadcasted to anybody except my watchers, so naturally they're going to be pretty dang casual. You don't actually believe that this website has any formal value, do you?

Anyway, you're clearly arguing with me right now, so trying to act like you're on top of all of that shit is just pointless. I don't know where you got the idea that I was the one picking the fights, though, considering that every single person I "argue" with has come to me first with insults and condescending words (including yourself), and if these people wanted to stop the argument they could have easily either blocked me or just stopped sending replies. I'm only making the best of the situation by turning it into something I can laugh at rather than sitting here and breaking down into some sort of emotional wreck over some angry loser on the other side of the internet. I really see no reason at all that that should bother you, to be honest, unless you're actually the type of petty person who takes this shit seriously and genuinely desires for other people to be hurt or insulted over such pointless junk. Either way, you're in no place to be talking to me about social etiquette right now.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh. Did you think I was involving myself in your argument? (Like you did the conversation between daPatches and KaoriYuki.)

Nope. All I'm doing is telling you it's pitiful that you take pleasure in deliberately provoking someone. It's like watching a train wreck and saying, "That was horrible."

You're obviously an intelligent guy and, despite the knee-jerk overreactions that dominate your journals, you obviously still have a nice guy in you ... somewhere ... (November 3rd, 2012 journal). Why don't you put them both to use instead of picking fights like some schoolyard bully? Use your brains and some good old social etiquette. You know you could have just stopped when Kaori said he was tired of talking to you. Instead, you decided it was worth both your time to insult him.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013
Well, at least I'm not the guy who looks at a train wreck and says "wow I'd really like to bury myself in there and be a part of it". I'm more of the guy who saw a train wreck coming and laughed at the morons who just couldn't swallow their pride and get out of the way.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
What a dismal perspective. But it's yours, not mine, so have at it.

Your argument with the sixteen year old was rather like reading a train wreck. Everybody loses.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013
The only reason anybody would be calling me pathetic for being amused by this is because they're upset that their attempts to argue with me otherwise are not getting me down. Go ahead, complain at me more. Contribute to the very thing that you think is pathetic. Just don't tell me to grow up, you hypocrite.
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ADQuatt Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013
Thanks! If I WERE attempting to get under your skin, you would be crying like a little bitch in the corner. :pat:
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It is, and it's apparent that you deal with the negativity rather well. I'm not sure if it's easier to handle the negativity on a personal project or the disappointment at seeing so much blind negativity on something one isn't personally invested in.
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iceofwolf Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Nope. He's right. Many adults would say it's pathetic that you're having fun arguing with a teenager. Personally, I would use the word 'pitiful'. I'd also be more specific and more general: "It's pitiful that you're having fun deliberately provoking someone."

Assuming both your age claims are honest, you're only four years older than him. There's not a whole lot of room to call him "another angry teen on the internet" when you're acting like... another angry teen on the internet. However, you are supposed to be older. Grow up.
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vajrasana Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice attempt at trying to insult me. If you're really attempting to get under my skin perhaps you should put a bit more effort into your piss-poor censure next time. :flirty:
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Spielodia Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
nevermind, I didn't see that you draw disfigured people yourself
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Spielodia Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
You should have googled surreal art and Tarsila do Amaral before you embarrassed yourself
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Spielodia Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Thank you for sharing your art. It's fantastic, and makes me feel happy to look at. I'd hang your paintings all over my place, and it takes a lot for me to want to do that with a gallery.
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jayalders Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Thank you so much. I really appreciate you sending some kindness my way. I am grateful.
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jayalders Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Thank you Jim
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HarborJack Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
NOOOOOOoooooo *dramatically falls to knees and screams*
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KatyRapo Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
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JimDuvall Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Professional Photographer
Congratulations on the DD
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Spielodia Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
WTF is wrong with people that have never seen a stylized or a surreal painting before? That think that you have to be a pervert to enjoy a painting that features a big butt, wtf? These people need to travel and look around. Perhaps go to some beaches. Cheezus. :iconfacepalmplz:
Great job btw and congrats on the DD. I really like the browns and yellows playing out on her skin, gives it a very particular mood, and it's just amazing how you did the sky and sea. I've stared at it for about 10 minutes and it takes me to a different place and time.
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Xadrea Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
you're welcome!
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LolitaLibrarian Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Student General Artist
Please do not call me ignorant. I grow tired of you and your insistence that it is somehow alright to warp the female body to your own perception of beauty.
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jayalders Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Thank you so very much
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alohaman636 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Wow this is absolutely incredible. great job love your style
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jayalders Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
I'm sorry that you're not familiar with modern art or surrealism. I encourage you to look up Ingres, Dali, Henry Moore, Lucian Freud, Tamara De Limpicka.
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jayalders Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
what an honor...thank you immensely.
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Eckilsax Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
It's a sad life... but that's why we have reductionsurgery!!
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traviswadegarden Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013   Digital Artist
Finally a modern Van Gogh incarnate.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Yes, good night. For the third time. Are you actually going to stop replying now or are you getting worked up again?
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KyoriYuki Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Poor baby. Good night.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
Why? I've done nothing but state that I'm having fun and all I really have from you on the subject is a complaint about how I'm apparently dragging this on all by myself.
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KyoriYuki Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I find it amusing you respond to them.
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rarkorn Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
I find it amusing that you're still sending replies.
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